00:12:11 Andre Tomlin: Hello everyone, thanks very much for joining us. I’m André from The Mental Elf and I’ll be Co-Chairing the webinar this evening with my colleagues Rhiannon and Douglas. 00:12:32 Andre Tomlin: The Mental Elf is a website that helps you keep up to date with the latest relevant and reliable mental health research https://www.nationalelfservice.net/mental-health/ 00:12:45 Andre Tomlin: Do please introduce yourself here in the chat – tell us who you are, where you’re from, and what you’re hoping to get out of the webinar today. 00:12:48 Douglas Badenoch: Welcome Megan, and everyone! 00:13:05 Douglas Badenoch: I’m an information scientist from Edinburgh, Scotland. 00:13:48 margarida: Margarida , Psychologist, Full Professor and Senior researcher at Lisbon University 00:13:56 Kara: Hi everyone, I’m a trainee educational psychologist based in London 00:14:20 Jodie: Hi I'm Jodie, I'm a Healthy Minds Apprentice from Bradford 00:14:20 Andre Tomlin: Welcome everyone! 00:14:26 Catherine: Principal Early Childhood Educator in Scotland 00:14:43 Megan: Hi everyone, I'm a supervisor at Childline in Glasgow 00:14:44 Liz: I'm Liz, a counsellor with Childline, Glasgow base. 👋 00:15:00 Lois: Hi everyone, I'm Lois - an environmental psychology PhD student at the University of Bath 00:15:03 Megan: Hi Liz 😁 00:15:05 Natalie: hello, a young people's primary mental health worker in south wales 00:15:13 Sheila: Hi, I'm Sheila, CAMHS Specialty Doctor from Dundee 00:15:14 Lucy: Hello - I teach geography in Newport, South Wales. 00:15:17 Miriam: Hello I am a systemic psychotherapist working with young unaccompanied asylum seekers. 00:15:23 Karina: Hello! Karina Padilla- University of Edinburgh, from Peru. 00:16:04 Harriet: I’m Harriet, psychologist working in London 00:16:12 Marion: hi Marion Mental health student at ARU 00:16:17 Julie: Hello! Julie, Health and Wellbeing Support Officer, Stirling 00:16:21 Andre Tomlin: As always, we will be saving everything from the event today on our web page, so you can look back at the video, slides, resources and useful links afterwards. Make a note of that now: https://www.acamh.org/event/eco-crisis-mental-health/ 00:16:23 Rebecca: Hi all, I am Becca and I work for the Wildlife Trust for Beds Cambs and Northants 00:16:46 Sarah: Hi, I'm Sarah a CBT Therapist in MHST in East London 00:16:49 sue: Hi I am sue child counsellor from Lancaster UK 00:17:02 Janette: Hi, Im Janette from East Berkshire from NHS Frimley CCG 00:17:04 Knut: Knut, a child psychiatrist in Trondheim, Norway, and chair of the Norwegian Physicians’ Campaign against Climate Change 00:17:04 ACAMH: We are using a new tool to engage with you www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 00:17:08 Georgie: Hello, I'm Georgie a Trainee Clinical Psychologist at Leicester 00:17:21 Akshaya: I am Akshay, psychiatry trainee in London 00:17:26 Charlotte Bailey: Interested in learning more about the impact of climate change on mental health? Read the Free Access CAMH Special Issue paper on ‘Ecological awareness, anxiety, and actions among youth and their parents – a qualitative study of newspaper narratives’ by Laelia Benoit, Isaiah Thomas & Andres Martin. Laelia is one of our speakers tonight. https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/camh.12514 00:17:29 Emma: child and yp counsellor Wiltshire 00:17:40 Michaela: Hi I am Michaela , developmental paediatrician at Alder Hey Hospital Liverpool. 00:18:06 Woody: retired professor of public health and a member of the FPH mental health Special interest group. 00:18:12 Donna: HI I am Donna, a lecturer in CYP/SS in the very north of Scotland near John o Groats 00:18:12 Sally: Hello I am Sally retired Education Policy advisor at Scottish Forestry. 00:18:12 yvonne: Great to 'meet' everyone this evening. I'm in the UK and am the membership coordinator with the National Association of Designated Safeguarding Leads. Really looking forward to hearing the discussions :) 00:18:31 ACAMH: https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 00:18:38 Dave: Hi I'm Dave Traxson EP in West Midlands 00:18:45 Panu: Hyvää iltaa! Eco-anxiety researcher from Helsinki, Finland. 00:18:56 Lynsey: Hi, I'm a junior doctor studying public health and I have a particular interest in climate change. 00:19:25 Imogen: Hi I'm Imogen Harries a family therapist working for the NHS in Newport, Wales and a therapist working in schools in Bristol 00:19:55 Florence: Hi, i am Florence Ward. SLA 00:20:19 Anja: Hi, I am Anja, a researcher from Vienna :) 00:20:31 Anthony: Hi all, joining from Finland. I am a doctoral researcher on adolescent mental health. 00:20:36 Sally: ps I got the link to this via Rhiannon's geography teacher 00:22:07 Andre Tomlin: sustyvibes.com is Jennifer’s organisation. Thanks for joining us Jennifer! 00:22:07 ACAMH: Here is the link to Mentimeter https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 do pls get involved 00:22:22 Jess: Hello I'm Jess and I work as a CYP Bereavement Therapist for a charity in Manchester, UK 00:22:55 ACAMH: if you are on twitter please follow @acamh using #CAMHScampfire & #COP26 00:23:04 Andre Tomlin: This is the McPin Foundation web page mentioned by Kirra, Yasmin and Rana: https://mcpin.org/young-peoples-network/ Thanks for joining us everyone 00:23:16 Sally: is there just one question on the survey - it is not refreshing 00:23:31 Rachel: Hi, I am an educational psychologist in the North of England 00:23:31 Andre Tomlin: That’s right Sally - just one question at this tage 00:23:53 Andre Tomlin: Here’s the link for the survey https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 00:23:59 Megara: Accidentally sent this only to host and panelists. My name is Megara and I currently live in Virginia, United States. I am currently working towards my M.S. in Thanatology (the study of death, dying, and bereavement). After I finish this degree, I hope to pursue my fellowship in thanatology through ADEC, pursue studies in psychology, conflict resolution, and a new master’s program from University of Richmond-London called “M.A. in Terrorism, Security, and Radical Right Extremism.” 00:25:24 ACAMH: 3059 1040 https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 00:25:36 Clark: Hello, I am Richard, one of the directors of Circling Cornwall. We have been using Circling (meditation practice) asthma tool of enquiry and presenting of feelings in each moment at Fridays for Future, Extinction Rebellion and Black Lives Matters protests in Cornwall, Exeter, Bristol and London since 2018. 00:25:51 Clark: asthma *as a 00:25:57 Chung-Hua: Hello, Chung-Hua here from NHS CNWL Hillingdon CAMHS practitioner/ art psychotherapist 00:26:58 Frank: Hello, I am Frank - a mental health nursing student at King’s College London. 00:27:51 Sally: I have had this kind of concern since I was a teenager in 1973 (plant a tree in 73 and plant some more in 74). the extinction of animals like tigers and the destruction of habitat for biodiversity and people was gong on then - it is great that there is now a recognition of what it is and a discussion of what can be done. Anger, frustration and irritation with people who don't get this is central to this! 00:28:30 LAURA: Sent to host and panelists whoops. Hello! Laura Kean in Scottish Borders. Child psychiatrist, clinical lead for infant mental health service and trainee parent-infant psychotherapist. Big interest in the world that our babies are growing up in and how climate anxiety and change will affect the environment which they are so linked with growing up. 00:29:53 Andre Tomlin: Great words Jennifer - thank you so much for sharing with us 00:30:42 Rachel: Thank you Jennifer, I hope the power balance changes and your voice is heard more widely. 00:30:54 Megara: Powerlessness is a great word to describe how I think many of us feel. In folks that I know, we believe that we can help some, but the despair creeps in when we remember that the world leaders and the largest business owners who refuse to take actions to offset their carbon footprints. 00:32:01 ACAMH: How is climate change affecting the lives of young people globally? tell us here use code 3059 1040 https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 00:35:28 Megara: I personally do not want to raise children, but I have heard arguments that the child you raise may have answers that contribute to lessen climate change or clean up oceans or preserve the Amazon and other forests… 00:35:36 LAURA: That really resonated me with work I’ve done with mums and babies. It’s common for parents to worry about the world that they are bringing their infant into; climate change has really exacerbated this fear and I suspect will be impacting upon parenting anxieties overall. 00:36:29 Charlotte Bailey: Menti is easy and quick to use. We would love to hear what you feel about how climate change is affecting the lives of young people globally. Use code 3059 1040 https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 00:37:00 Lisa: I have filled it in but my comments weren't there. Maybe a need to refresh it? 00:37:52 Kristin: Hello from California, so glad to be here. Theatre/Dance artist, director of interdisciplinary climate crisis project, scu.edu/tUrn 00:37:57 Sally: same here lisa thorne 00:40:44 Andre Tomlin: Thanks Lisa/Sally and others - all of your survey responses have been captured. Our results were just displaying the most popular responses 00:41:07 Woody: I used to work on the impact of Floods and other extreme weather events, and further back I worked on PTSD after transport disasters. What to people think about the response to REPEATED traumatisation by climate consequences, during the life course of young people? 00:41:55 Sally: andre tomlin those results are what were expected. I was thinking about those young people not in the global north eg Afghanistan drought, and so on 00:42:12 Clark: $ 00:42:41 Andre Tomlin: Thanks Sally 00:44:00 LAURA: Hi Woody-good question. Sadly, repeated trauma often results in either hyper-alert states or a more defensive sense of apathy. And increased rates of mental illness across the spectrum. That’s where the point about resilience building is so essential. 00:45:23 Megara: I wonder how much “over-pathologising” may be acute stress disorder or post traumatic stress disorder, triggered by anxiety over the future of Earth. 00:45:33 Andre Tomlin: As always, we will be saving everything from the event today on our web page, so you can look back at the video, slides, resources and useful links afterwards. Make a note of that now: https://www.acamh.org/event/eco-crisis-mental-health/ 00:45:52 Woody: Yes, Laura: that is what we saw with survivors of mass casualty events! 00:46:03 Chung-Hua: Douglas, could you elaborate more on “over-pathologising” “eco-anxiety” please? 00:47:30 Andre Tomlin: My view on over-pathologising eco-anxiety is that we can think of it as a medical problem, rather than a natural reaction to the situation. 00:47:48 Andre Tomlin: What’s the best way to prevent eco-anxiety? Solve the climate crisis. 00:48:10 Andre Tomlin: Let’s not start medicalising it and treating it and ignore the cause 00:49:10 Charlotte Bailey: We were honoured to speak to Dr. Laelia Benoit about her paper in the CAMH Special Issue and her research into ecological anxiety prior to this event. You can listen to the full fantastic podcast here: https://www.acamh.org/podcasts/ecological-anxiety/ Laelia talks with us about the anxiety and grief of the ecological crisis. 00:49:12 Sally: do you mental helath professionals deal with young people referred to you or are we talking about children and young people generally? 00:49:58 LAURA: Speaking as a doctor and as a parent. 00:50:20 Andre Tomlin: Exactly Laelia - this is a societal problem! Thank you for your biopsychosocial perspective 00:50:22 Jenny: Can you give us the link to the study about collective action as a buffer to individual distress please? 00:50:24 Woody: French experience of “Resilience” has been a revelation (e.g. Resilience. How your inner strength can set you free from the past Boris Cyrulnik, but I could never get my UK students to take Cyrulnik’s Knitting approach seriously…. 00:50:50 Andre Tomlin: Do say more Woody - actual knitting!? 00:50:59 Chung-Hua: I see, thank you Andre. I was wondering if climate crisis pathway is also part of the over pathologising and medical issue as well. 00:51:09 Janette: Few things that may be useful that are happening in uk in terms of collective action Pupils will be recognised for their efforts to protect the environment in a new Duke of Edinburgh-style award. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59172936 00:51:42 Janette: https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/report/cop26-childrens-guide-and-slides-for-schools/ A guide for children and slides for schools sharing what COP26 is and what children told us in The Big Ask surveyabout climate change and the environment. 00:52:37 Sally: In my world of education for sustainable development and forestry and children/young people voice the process for learning needs progression from emotional connection to cognitive connection leading to high order skills like critical thinking and positive action. one of the things in my world is the idea that children and young people have no time to play by themselves as they develop outdoors in nature. Many adults let alone the CYP understand nature because of the increasing disconnect with the world around them. 00:53:11 Woody: Andre- the great thing about “knitting” is that past efforts are never completely lost, but if one drops a stitch, one can still resume, to complete the work. Life stories are like the products of knitting….. 00:53:41 Sally: oh brilliant. There is nothing new with this..... there are a lot of solutions out there. 00:54:01 Michael: Where can we access this study of 10,000 children? 00:54:11 Andre Tomlin: I like it Woody. And indeed - my life is very much like my knitting… 00:55:59 Panu: @Michael, here's the preprint of that global research article about climate anxiety: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3918955 00:56:07 Andre Tomlin: Here’s Lise’s website if you want to read more about her work https://www.lisevansusteren.com/ 00:56:17 Clark: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3918955 00:56:29 Avni: Hi, my name is Avni, Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist. I’m concerned that we are clumping Children into the age range of 6-18 years. There will be different perceptions and different anxieties at each phase of development 00:56:29 Michael McKay: Thank you! 00:56:50 Andre Tomlin: I’m loving all the links everyone - thank you. We’ll save the chat and share it afterwards with the webinar materials 00:57:00 Chung-Hua Siong: 100% agree with you Avni. 00:57:17 Sally: human population is a key to this - at the big ecological scale it is as Attenborough says a 'plague on the planet'. at the individual level it is so much more personal and traumatic. 00:57:47 Miriam: Can the links be available to us afterwards as I am trying to listen to the panelsts rather than note the links. 00:58:08 Sally: with the UNCRC every child has the right to a clean and healthy environment ...links to SDG's as well 00:58:13 Douglas Badenoch: Yes, Miriam, they will be included. 00:58:37 Janette: More on collective action ….. this was taking place this week by Manchester uni Teach Carbon Literacy! Empower others to act on climate change for people who work with children and young people https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/teach-carbon-literacy-empower-others-to-act-on-climate-change-tickets-171782505097. 00:59:06 Janette: On last post you had to join all sessions but they may be doing it again in the future 00:59:16 ACAMH: Well said Lise 01:00:43 Jennifer Uchendu: Very thought provoking and moving speech Lise, thank you so much. 01:02:17 Clark: Caroline Hickman gave a speech just off Buckingham Palace Road in October 2019 when she said in early years (First 1,000 days up to somewhere around 8 years of age) it was important to model the correct behaviours as a priority. In Piagetian terms they can only think in an abstract way once they are concrete-operational. 01:02:18 Woody: ‘Dynamic social network theory’ will help understand the spread of climate anxiety within a community ( Christakis, N.A. and Fowler, J.H. (2013), “Social contagion theory: examining dynamic social networks and human behaviour”, Statistics in Medicine, Vol. 32 No. 4, pp. 556-77. ) 01:02:19 Kim: The "over-pathologizing" of the climate crisis is reminiscent of such deceptive terms such as "Covid anxiety" -- representing anxiety produced as much by the dismissal of the extent of the problem and failure to act by the authorities. The valid arising anxiety is exacerbated by subsequent invalidation of that response by authorities, creating a sense of unreality and alienation. We find ourselves in a 'Reality Crisis,' just as much as anything else. 01:02:22 ACAMH:The second in our free series on 'Climate Change and Mental Health' comes live from Australia and the UK on Weds 8 Dec register here https://www.acamh.org/event/climate-change-mental-health/ 01:02:30 Sally: thanks Laelia - is it just parents or does this include other adults in the CYPeoples lives? 01:03:36 Janette: Some really good resources produced by young people for young people. Empowered by the positive impacts on the environment during the coronavirus lockdown, a group of young people and youth activists set up the project Start Environmental Action (S.E.A) https://www.youthfocusnw.org.uk/what-we-do/we-deliver/posh-pioneers-of-sustainable-hope/sea-project 01:04:21 Andre Tomlin: Listen and validate these real concerns about climate change. That’s great initial advice 01:05:19 Andre Tomlin: Empower young people that they can take action. Getting that advice from your doctor/therapist/nurse would be very positive 01:05:35 Avni: Moving away from categorisation of anxiety and into the context of anxiety is very importtant 01:05:35 Woody: Positive narratives are indeed important - but they are often owned by groups rather than individuals (as seen in community drama or heritage gardening). 01:06:22 Janette: Needs a joint approach - clinicians working with wider CYP workforce e.g Youth Workers - so the approach is listen, validate but create opportunities and empower young people to take collective action 01:06:34 Rebecca: The network of Wildlife Trusts across the UK have options for young people to take action. Many have forums for young people to advise and direct the trust and youth groups for people to take direct action. Getting outdoors helps with anxiety as well as taking action. 01:06:34 Andre Tomlin: Thanks Woody - so do we need social prescribing as the first line for eco-anxiety? 01:06:43 Woody: Yes 01:06:51 Elisavet Palaiologou: Jenny, the paper about collective action is in press, in Current Psychology. The first author is Sarah Schwartz, stay tuned! - Laelia 01:07:46 Janette: Agree with Woody lots of opportunities for young people but mental health prof may not know of them all hence joint approach working with other prof 01:07:50 Janette: e.g youth workers 01:08:18 Janette: Can we bring them all together to help or at least national ones? 01:08:55 Andre Tomlin: What is our message to COP? Please answer the next question in our survey https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 01:08:59 Jenny: thanks! 01:09:00 Sally: there is so much out there for CYP/families to get out and do. Time is a problem with all the stuff kids have on their plates. we need to address the education system so that it is more able to listen and include kids, shift the system to more interdisciplinary and outdoor learning etc. Things like the Joihn Muir Award are really good and can be done in schools, youth groups etc or working with people in the community on local gardens. Fixing the cause …..lise have you seen our politicians???! 01:09:49 Sally: mental health professionals need to link with others working with children and young people in this area. There is so much you can offer the area I used to work in!! 01:11:06 Janette: Things are happening in schools https://teaching.blog.gov.uk/2021/10/29/how-can-schools-get-involved-with-cop26-and-climate-change-lessons/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery&es_c=ECFB74EA6EB182756BDD77C561823EE2&es_cl=BD17F2A933AB31E1183EB2EC0FCBC3A4&es_id=9d%c2%a3o3 01:11:41 ACAMH: What is our message to COP? code 3059 1040 Please answer the next question in our survey https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 01:11:58 Panu: Thanks for the insightful session. Good materials about how to talk & act with children: https://ourkidsclimate.org/how-to-talk-to-children-about-the-climate-crisis/ 01:12:22 Rebecca: https://www.wildlifebcn.org/take-action/young-peoples-forum 01:12:31 Sarah: Thank you all🌸 01:12:44 ACAMH: what are you going to do personally and professionally to help? 01:13:03 Andre Tomlin: Before you go!! What is our message to COP? Please answer the next question in our survey https://www.menti.com/dh51yehe19 01:13:04 Michaela: Thank you all so much for a brilliant discussion about an essential subject . Jennifer has left the phrase "radical hope" reverberating . 01:13:23 Janette: I think we will see more things projects for young people related to climate change but guess we will then schools be flooded with people trying to sell them projects relating to this agenda? 01:13:45 Rachel: Thank you- amazing so powerful. 01:13:55 Sally: Climate should be weaved throughout the learning journey from 3-18 in all subjects - if it is taught separately it becomes siloed. 01:13:58 yvonne: Brilliant as always. Thank you so much. 01:14:08 Sally: agree Jannette 01:14:20 Woody: ACAMH: I am going to think about the game developed by public health colleagues at the CDC in USA: “Zombie Apocalypse” allows professionals to game as a group around disasters! 01:14:23 Clark: cut ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere now! 3 year targets! 01:14:28 Sally: Many thanks really useful insight to this 01:14:31 Janette: Agree Sally about whole school approach to this 01:14:44 Olivia: Thank you all for your insights! 01:15:00 Michael: Thank you all 01:15:08 Marion: thank you all 01:15:11 Janette: Thank you to the amazing young people - this gives me so much hope to hear from young people who are so passionate makes why we do what we do so wroth while hearing from the young people today 01:15:14 Dhurata: Thank you 01:15:44 Jenna: Personally - significantly reducing my single-use plastics 01:15:44 Elena: Thank you very much for a thought-provoking session. Lots to think about. 01:15:49 Taner: Thanks a lot to everyone 01:15:50 Fiona: Thank you. Such amazing young people with such articulate and passionate voices. 01:15:51 Lynsey: Thank you! 01:15:53 Kristin: Trying to not have anyone graduate from the university I work at who is unaware of the climate crisis or ignorant of what can be done. Excellent work everyone!! 01:15:57 Clark: Can you put the link in again, please? 01:15:57 Janette: IS the next session a follow up? 01:15:59 Megara: And the States! ;) 01:16:03 Emma: thank you everybody for this session! 01:16:04 Cathy: Thank you everyone for a great session 01:16:04 Janette: One on 8th Dec? 01:16:09 Florence: Thank you 01:16:10 Avni: My perspective is to take a step back, anxiety is fluid and not fixed, it is multifactorial, and needs much more thought than campaigns and the need for change in this context 01:16:11 Clark: For the questions you want answered 01:16:18 Jenna: Professionally - empower young people to engage with eco-activism 01:16:18 Woody: Thanks everyone for a great session 01:16:25 Charlotte Bailey: Want to learn more about the impact of climate change on CYP mental health? Sign up for our on ‘Climate Change Impacting Mental Health – live from Australia & UK’ this December. More details: https://www.acamh.org/event/climate-change-mental-health/ 01:16:39 Catherine: Thank you everyone 01:16:41 Sally : I echo Janette - many thanks to all the speakers but especially the folk from a different age and experience range to me - you are so eloquent and keep on going and action, action, action ….good luck 01:16:44 Clare : Thank you! 01:16:44 Megara: I think you’re pretty great. 01:16:47 Nia: Thanks very much. Very informative. 01:17:17 Janette: Amazing session thank you all so much 01:17:41 Imogen: Thank you so much; a great session. 01:17:52 Janette: Feeling sad knowing about this all links back to social injustice. But feeling hopeful hearing from the young people 01:18:36 Tara: Thank you for a very interesting and informative session. 01:18:42 Charlotte Bailey: Laelia’s research focuses on ecoanxiety among children and adolescents, and she is a co-author of the recent paper ‘Ecological awareness, anxiety, and actions among youth and their parents – a qualitative study of newspaper narratives’, published in the Special Issue of CAMH. You can access this paper free until 3 December 2021. https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/camh.12514 01:18:50 sue: many thanks 01:19:37 Iris: Thank you very much 01:19:48 Charlotte Bailey: You can also listen Laelia's fantastic podcast on the ACAMH website, or stream via your preferred platform. https://www.acamh.org/podcasts/ecological-anxiety/